At work we get around this by not having docker or anything similar set up in the first place.

I’m getting tired of it lol

Yar har

Fucking legends if they do

Not sure, but other alternatives do embrace it. I use FreeTube, and it has a built in function to use DeArrow. I’m loving it so far.

I wouldn’t mind having a linux tablet. But not at $700

Oh I know, I’m right there with you. But I get a level of entertainment out of it.

I don’t think the people who are supporters of jury nullification are saying such laws are fine.

I disagree. Laws aren’t always moral. Texas could outlaw donations to the Rainbow Railroad and it would be wrong, the organization should still exist.

But in this case it is pretty clear that the plagiarism machine is in fact, bad and should not exist, at least not in it’s current form.

They didn’t mention personal stuff

I can’t say I’m familiar with that particular event. But I’m guessing there is a difference there in that iMessage is well, a messaging service. YouTube isn’t, their videos are on public webpages.

All Freetube and company needs to do, if it comes to it, is find a way extract a video from a public webpage. There’s a million ways to do that.

iMessage is not a public webpage, and so there is no real way around it unless you go through their api.

Youtube/google/alphabet are almost certainly aware it exists already. The only real risk is too many people switching to it.

But even then there isn’t much they can do to stop it’s use. They can’t tighten up or remove their api, but then page scraping will take over. They can obfuscation their page, but that will not work forever.

It’s a cat and mouse game that is impossible to win for them.

Even so, having more software natively supported will always be a good thing. Half the reason why people drag their feet on switching to Linux is because of the lack of support for their favorite software.

Sure, it’s not perfect, but there is still probably use cases there. For me personally, I prefer using roll20 to store my character sheets for D&D, and my peace of shit 15 year old laptop just isn’t cutting it anymore. I don’t think this is a $150 use case, but if the price of this tablet were to come down I’d have second thoughts.

A constitutional republic is not mutually exclusive with democracy.

This is like saying “it isn’t a car, it’s a vehicle”. No shit it is a vehicle, but the type of vehicle is “car”.

Is your computer networked? If so, that’s a bad idea

That’s how I feel too. If it were to die, it gives more room for things like peertube to grow from its ashes.

I’ll need some sources on that one.

I’m speaking from past experience here. I’ve had conversations with right wingers where I’ve brought up NASA articles about how one of their satellites is tracking climate change. And often times it’s met with “well that’s just want the government wants you to think”, or "that’s from NASA and therefore it’s propaganda.

On a more personal level, my mother is a lunatic anti-vaxer. She treats the CDC and FDA like they’re straight out of 1984. She always either ignores shit from the CDC/FDA, tries to establish them as liars/frauds, etc.

I don’t exactly go around saving screenshots of conversations with right wingers, nor do I record arguments with my mother. And none of this lends itself to being easy to track on a search engine (esp given how shitty they are nowadays. That brings us full circle lol).

So take my word for it or don’t, I don’t care.

Then this conversation is pointless if you won’t acknowledge the risk of it

There is risk associated with everything. You can’t have public policy without risk. You can’t have a president without risk. You can’t have a government agency without risk. So what’s your point?

None of those things are direct propaganda tools.

To you they aren’t, but to the right wing they are.

The second they start having to put maga posters into you mailbox and nobody else’s you’ll see it differently.

We are already at risk of that. I don’t see what your point is.

is that you want to talk about removing capitalism.

I’m all for removing capitalism, but that’s not really my aim in this discussion. I was more interested in the difficulty/value of nationalizing something like a search engine.

and its parameters you won’t admit how bad nationalising a search engine is without other privately owned alternatives.

Given the popularity and successes of NASA, the USPS, NOAA, etc, I think you are being overly pessimistic.

but it’s not as bad as if it was run by Trump and co.

The U.S. isn’t a functioning democracy though, which is why that’s a problem. And just because a nationalized service is controlled democratically doesn’t mean it is controlled by a president. There are a lot of different ways to have democracy.

And we no longer live in an era of horse and buggy, so democracy can be far more direct than it has in the past.

In addition, there is already a multitude of positions filled/appointed/approved by the president. The administrator of NASA, the administrator of the EPA, etc. There is nearly 500 federal agencies like this.

So this would not be a problem unique to a nationalized search engine. So the solution is an actual democratic control of these agencies/administrators, not a wanna be dictator.

Another thing to keep in mind, what I’m proposing is something that would only ever work in an actual functioning democracy. So therefore I am not proposing this within the U.S.

Which you didn’t include, is splitting Google up

As I said, I think it is debatable if a search engine is even critical enough to warrant nationalization. I don’t think the need is there. And as I (admitted retroactively edited my comment to say), I have previously stated that I’m totally cool with breaking up Google at a bare minimum. The rest of this is just about the hypothetical of nationalization.

Split the advertising from search.

Short of publicly funding private companies, this would just result in a subscription model, which nobody wants. It’s either ads, subs, or public subsidization.

This is the surest way to make them cater to us.

It’s a half measure. The only real way to make them cater to us (aside from previously mentioned nationalization) is regulation, workplace democracy, and so on.

Even if Google got turned into a small company that only ever does search, they’ll still be a business running under capitalism, with all of the profit seeking motives that got us to where we are now.