Sceptre seems to be a popular brand mentioned in this thread. Thanks for the input!

I don’t think that you fully understand what the word “prefer” means. I said that I don’t want to give up access to my third-party apps if possible, not that I would never consider a factory reset.
It might help to grab a dictionary before you start policing the internet from your porn account.

Thanks!

“I wish my cancer riddled grandmother wasn’t suffering.”

“Well, you could always just kill her! Then she would feel anything!”

???

Even more so, I didn’t even disagree or say that they were wrong. Just that I’d prefer not to do that because, along with my grandmother not suffering, I also want her to be alive. Contrary to popular belief, humans are capable of wanting multiple things at the same time. Have you ever been thirsty while you had to pee?

Oh, I am definitely getting more paranoid as I get older, but that’s a different issue altogether. :D

Scrapyard PCs for the win!

(Written on a used dell with a replaced hard drive and a fedora install.)

IANAL either, but I’m pretty sure you are correct. I put it in another comment somewhere, but I’m more upset about not being given a choice to refuse the change rather than the actual change itself. I don’t mind signing the waiver at amusement parks, or to buy a car with no warranty. I just want to know what I’m agreeing to, and I don’t like folks pulling the rug out from under me or changing the deal.

The situation feels like if I were to drop out of college, I would be given electroshocks until I’d forgotten anything learned in class.

How on earth is saying “I would prefer not to do something” being unreasonable with people?

Whew, that inter-continental shipping is going to be rough, but I’ve had to pay it before. Thanks for the advice!

This is the point that I’ve been stuck on. There doesn’t seem to be clear, easily available, documentation on which models those are. However, I have been able to find many ramble-ly “old man yells at cloud” forum & social media posts (You know, like this one!) when a model doesn’t allow it.

Lol, point well stated…

Thanks for the heads up - will do!
EDIT: Out of an abundance of curiosity, what model do you have?

IKR? I’ve been pretty happy with their service up until now. Sure, the home menu ads were certainly annoying, but were easily ignoreable and didn’t interfere with normal use of the TV.

It’s weird, I don’t mind waiving rights when I know what I’m in for. (I’ll sign the release form when I do something inherently dangerous.) However, I don’t like having the deal changed out from under me, and I certainly don’t like not being given a choice. I should have had the ability to hit decline, then forfeit my right to access roku on-demand services and maybe even firmware updates. But, whatever I had installed and working with 3rd party services shouldn’t be affected. They shouldn’t be allowed to disable the hardware. Honestly, and I mean speaking from the heart here, I probably would have just clicked OK without much thought about it if they’d at least included the disagree button.

This is really good/useful info - thank you!

We found an answer! Thank you!

I’ve been searching online between comment responses looking for actually useful recommendations. It looks like Sceptre or LG are going to be good starting points. Between the two website, I’m leaning pretty heavily towards the Sceptre. I’m excited to here more from the person posting about the professional/commercial AV displays.

Hmm, yes, I agree! Totally agree on this. No argument. I’m curious though - what TV would that be? What TV can someone buy today that doesn’t require an initial setup process that requires an agreement to certain terms and conditions prior to use?

Not trying to be hostile towards you in particular. I’m feeling frustrated with this answer because I am seeing it a lot (both online and in online searches right now), but I’m having some difficulty finding it actually useful advice. Many devices are setup from the factory to not allow use until agreeing to certain terms and conditions that must be agreed to before using the TV. I need to know which TVs - if any - do not require this. It is surprisingly difficult! I feel frustrated with this answer because it feels reductive & dismissive of the actual problem.

Again, nothing against you in particular. I’m just frustrated with this - seemingly reasonable but not actually applicable based on what I have been able to research online so far - answer.

I think that I’m about to sold on LG TVs. Do you need to agree to any terms of service for initial setup? Additionally, do you have to navigate menus on startup to get to the streaming device? If so, that is ok, but very annoying if I can’t set it up to start on a particular input on power up.

I’m pretty sure that you cannot use a roku-enabled device for any purpose until you agree to their terms of service, which just puts me back into the same boat.

Do you have any recommendations for actual dumb TVs?

Potentially - but I’d prefer not to do a factory reset. I was/am happy to use the services that I was already using and paying for that were not affiliated with Roku. A factory reset would remove access to those 3rd party services.

Besides that, I’m pretty sure that you cannot use a roku-enabled device for any purpose until you agree to their terms of service, which just puts me back into the same boat.

Do you have any recommendations for dumb TVs?

Almost certainly - but that is what I agreed to when I bought the TV.

Like I said in the post, I’d much prefer dumb TVs, but they I can’t really find them anymore. Best I can do is buy a smart TV that’d won’t let you do anything (including selecting inputs) until you connect it to the internet, agree to their horrible anti-consumer licensing agreement. Only then to open up a different smart device product that will still steal my data and force me to give up my legal right to a class action? The current system is scam.

Do you have any recommendations for dumb TVs?